Any casting site you come across is just like the stock market. People come there to buy and sell, and the site is set up as a fair market.
That’s a very specific type of market, with several very clear responsibilities to both the buyers and sellers who participate in the market.
Here’s what the one single most important responsibility is…and why Voices.com fails at it.
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I agree with how you handled it…
Am not sure of all the issues with v.com am very certain of 1 – in 4 months of contributing (to thei benefit) “hey look another voice participating in our casting call” my wife wonders if we can live long enough to ever see a benefit from our frenimies”
Hundreds x a lot of auditions
I would have thrown in the towel if outside feedback was less than supportive
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Totally agree with you. I have terminated my account with them.
I also agree with how you handled it. It’s better to be diplomatic in case things change in the future, even though there have been times when I let my frustrations get the better of me. You did the right thing. Thanks for the video David.
At m VO workout group, we had a VO talent who booked V123 job and when he turned up at the studio, he and the client were delighted to find they were former clients and old friends. The truth became apparent. V123 paid $300 to the VO actor. The client was surprised, because he allocated $1800 for the actor’s fee. V123 took $1500 commission.
As a VO artist, I cannot, will not support that kind of blatant greed.I could go on and on about the pay to play sites, but I’ll simply say, I’m out. My personal ethic of supporting fairness comes first. It’s not negotiable.
Hold on…are you sure it was Voice123? Didn’t you mean Voices.com? I’m not aware of any mechanism that would make it possible for Voice123 to be able to take a commission. If you meant Voices.com, please edit you comment to correct that. If you truly meant Voice123, I’d really like to discuss what happened with your friend.
I did contact Marlon by email and she replied:
The one out of Canada– is that Voices.com?
It was whoever the Canadian one is.”
Thanks for the info. Be weil.
On a 3rd person taking myself out of the equation, I generally try to handle a situation such as that the same way, without rancor or anger. Leaving the situation open for change. I wish I could say I always do that. I have enough red hair in my genetics that occasionally gets the better of me. I have been with voices.com and am still registered with them, but haven’t booked enough jobs to make it worth my while and after taking the Mastering how much to Charge module, I understand why. I just need to figure out how to market myself in other ways, particularly after reading Marlon’s comment above. How to go Aikido on this part of my journey.
Marlon Braccia… would you please clarify whether you were referring to Voices123 or Voices.com in your comments above.
We’re all waiting patiently …
I contacted Marlon by email and asked her. This was her reply:
The one out of Canada– is that Voices.com?
It was whoever the Canadian one is.”
I’m a member of Voices.Com and Voices123. When Voices.com started these managed jobs years ago I didn’t know they were skimiming money off the top and posting a lower figure.. My issue with them was that i was paying them an annual fee and was in essence paying them to judge my auditions before a client ever got to hear them. They were I felt hiring people off the street with no experience in voice-over. I called them at that time to try to get them to get rid of that department but to no avail. Before that I thought Voices.Com was tremendous.
Indeed, Stan. I went along for a while just not auditioning for managed jobs. It was easy then as they posted the jobs so they were listed as the buyer. Soon I began to feel that, even if I wasn’t doing managed jobs, just being a part of it was enabling them. I cut ties and have felt much cleaner ever since.
You are correct in that they have no experienced session or casting directors to qualify auditions. In fact they hire sales people and marketeers to sell their service. To top it off they have a Platinum Level where talent pay $5,000/yr for additional benefits. What do you want to bet that in a managed job they will get recommended to the buyer over you?
Thank you for providing this invaluable service.
I joined Voices.com during the changeover at the end of 2017, when many people in the industry were nervously giving it a “wait and see” approach. Shortly after that, most of my colleagues expressed their disappointment and/or left for many of the reasons you state here.
Here’s my honest experience:
– More than one person from Voices.com reached out to me and spent time on a call both encouraging me and providing me with a great deal of personalized advice and feedback, including tips on how to be successful at Voices.com
– The matches I got seemed to be very relevant.
– I ended up with more audiobook work than I could handle in 2018 (from outside of Voices.com), so I had to shelve my efforts to build a brand at Voices.com. They were happy to put my paid account on hold, and I can resume when I’m ready–so that was actually a nice plus, that my money wouldn’t be lost.
– Still, I noticed that while the matches were easily do-able, the jobs weren’t really very lucrative. I’d periodically look over some of the many incoming projects, but most were $100-150. Sometimes they’d go over $200 and the body of work is worth more than that.
– Sometimes I could find the same project or similar at Voice123 offering a higher rate.
I had a very educational conversation with one of the staffers there who talked about how many other moving parts any particular gig might have that required Voices.com to take your recording and put their shoulder to the wheel and deliver the finished product to the client.
However, none of my offered auditions actually give me the opportunity to be a part of that project, or volunteer any services beyond dry voice. They may just be laying a soundtrack under it and taking 80% of the pay for 5 minutes’ work, or they may be pulling in all sorts of complex assets and building a huge product. Maybe they’re doing lots of video editing. I don’t know, but I’m skeptical that this is actually happening for most of the projects I’d see come through.
Maybe transparency about the project(s) would go a long way towards rebuilding goodwill for them.
Can I offer another perspective? I’ll stipulate that V. Com is problematic. But what about the Vast majority of Voice seekers who are never going to pay $1k for a V O…? Definitely not the guy in Fargo… It’s why fiverr is rising… The market is finding its level. The TRUE value of a vo. It seems the LA/NYC folks are pining for a world that is long gone – the world of “closed system”, where agents and producers determine who gets the golden handshake… When the CLIENT decides “that voice over is good enough and that’s a fair price” the world of unions and “we’ll determine the rates”. Disappears… This will cause the rates to plummet. As they are… Because the client, who makes the market, is now setting the value of a vo, not unions or agents… And they, apparently, have a different idea of the true value of a voice over – sorry to say, it’s usually not near $1k…either adjust to the market changes, or starve waiting for your “perceived” value to come along. If you believe in a true market, this is the result… If you believe in some “controlled” market, gatekeepers, etc…. Then that appears to be going the way of dodo birds… I CAN’T CONTROL IT…. I CAN ONLY ADJUST. (show me where my logic fails, not where your feelings are hurt)